[bug] editing long strings

[Doug Baron]

All,

I apologize for arriving late to the party. ;->  I do read this list 
regularly, but I suffered a major hardware melt down this morning that 
has disrupted all my activities. The upside is my down time today 
coincided with with the arrival of the OSX box that I'll be doing Mac 
development on. A happy reunion.

Michel said: "I share your complaints about stability, although I am 
convinced they are
all related to the UI. For instance, I have lots of crashing trouble 
when command-clicking title bars. But on headless OS X-servers, Frontier 
is rock solid for me."

I agree that the most serious problems in the large table area are 
UI-related. I certainly hope to address some of them as Frontier moves 
forward. Having a simple fail-case script like the one Michel posted is 
helpful and constructive. That's the kind of input we can use.

Doug



On Thursday, February 21, 2002, at 12:56 PM, Kevin Drennan wrote:

>> Now I have been getting some off list feedback suggesting I'm not alone
>> in my complaint that Radio/Manila/le-projet-du-jour get way more
>> attention than Frontier, even though we Frontier customers pay the big
>> bucks. As a customer, I feel neglected and disrespected, especially 
>> after
>> this little episode. I believe many others here are reluctant to speak
>> out because they can do without the abuse. I also believe many here 
>> are,
>> like me, getting quite familiar with PHP/MySQL and Zope.
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I wrote Michel the following message off list and he pointed out, 
> rightly I
> think, that he would appreciate some public support of his position.
>
> ---
>
>>> Trouble is, this kind of debugging isn't nearly as funky as dreaming 
>>> up
>>> exciting new stuff (Userland's forte), so getting these things fixed 
>>> will
>>> take a lot of time, if not forever.
>
>> Michel,
>>
>> You hit the nail right on the head here. I think this is an opinion 
>> that is
>> shared by a lot of long-time Frontier users. I wrote a long email to 
>> John Robb
>> about this exact dynamic when I renewed one of my academic licenses 
>> recently
>> (at the much-complained-about 200% increase). I'm not sure there's 
>> much we can
>> do as users. Frankly, my answer has been to expand my knowledge of 
>> other
>> environments (php/mySQL) so I don't get too locked in. Frontier is 
>> brilliant
>> software but like so many things I experience in my professional life, 
>> it's
>> lessened by underlying management issues.
>
> ---
>
> I worry about appearing to take cheap shots but I think a lot of the 
> time those
> kind of comments are a product of pent up frustration and there is some
> frustration here. I do feel that ever since Manila and Radio came on 
> the scene
> there has been much less focus on Frontier--the core technology from 
> which all
> life springs :-) Here's a positive suggestion to end on. With the 
> impending
> release of Frontier 8, let's declare a "I love Frontier" year and 
> really focus
> on working together to improve the core technology that we all love.
>
> P.S. Note my cheap shot at managers above. Can you tell they're driving 
> me crazy
> right now?
>
> Kevin
>