I have a controlpanel addin that allows you to examine the membership groups from the controlpanel that is a great help in answering these sorts of questions. You can get it from <http://www.webwerks.co.nz/fatpages/memberbrowsercp.html> . Highly recommended. -- - David Bayly. Programmer and digest reader. dbayly at udena dot ch Digest Readers do it once a day.