name "undefined" error ?

From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Sun Sep 1 00:41:04 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Al Mac) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:41:04 -0500 Subject: Do it yourself Documentation Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020831183141.00a39360@pop.sigecom.net> I thought it might be useful to share some links that I have found to documentation helping Manila users. Several people have created directories of how to navigate documentation about related products such as Manila Radio Frontier. Here is mine http://radio.weblogs.com/0107846/stories/2002/08/23/radioDocSources.html Most of my links are to Radio documentation but some are to Manila sources that I have stumbled over, such as Skip Dodson Guide to Manila http://dodsonbrown2.weblogger.com/directory/5/manila O'Reilly Essential Blogging Book Guide to Frontier, Manila, and Radio UserLand, by Matt Neuburg http://dodsonbrown2.weblogger.com/directory/5/guideToFrontierManilaAndRadioUserlandByMattNeuburg Andy Sylvester Directory of Documentation http://ruminations.weblogger.com/directory/143 Terminology clarifications http://jawahar.createastandard.com/2002/08/28 - Al Macintyre (macwheel99@sigecom.net via Eudora) Al's diary http://radio.weblogs.com/0107846/ Scandal Map http://www.markpoyser.netfirms.com/diagrams.htm Cure cancer. http://members.ud.com/about/ From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Tue Sep 3 14:34:34 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Ken Dow) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:34:34 -0400 Subject: trouble importing site (built in Ultradev) (Win2000) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mary, [Alert: This is not really newbie material!] The import site feature doesn't create the required Manila messages - it's from an earlier Frontier approach that rendered static pages. The best way to handle your import is create an empty Manila site and write a script that loops over your files and populates the Manila message database with content extracted from each HTML file. You could also create Manila pictures for your images and gems for your PDFs. I like using XML-RPC for this kind of thing and most of the interfaces you'll need for this kind of work are documented: http://www.xmlrpc.com/stories/storyReader$700 You could also jump to the manilaSuite table and dig up the scripts for populating a Manila site directly. For JavaScript, I recommend using an external .js file linked into your Manila template (same for CSS, btw). That way you can edit it with any external tool you choose. HTH. On Friday, August 30, 2002, at 02:19 PM, Mary_Mahling@es.blm.gov wrote: > Hello all: I've been trying to import a test intranet site I've built in > Ultradev (lots of ASP code, a few client-side javascripts) into > Frontier/Manila so that individual page text can be edited. -- Regards Ken Learn about Frontier, Manila & Radio Userland http://www.kendow.com/courses.html The mind is a fire to be kindled not a vessel to be filled. - Plutarch From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Mon Sep 2 22:39:41 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Manila-Newbies@userland.com) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:39:41 EDT Subject: question Message-ID: <161.134000bf.2aa5349d@aol.com> --part1_161.134000bf.2aa5349d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone had gotten into and made changes to my aol member profile. I deleted it but am not sure if it was someone that I had let on my puter (which I did) and now they can enter from another site or what and can they still be there and I don't know? --part1_161.134000bf.2aa5349d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone had gotten into and made changes to my aol member profile. I deleted it but am not sure if it was someone that I had let on my puter (which I did) and now they can enter from another site or what and can they still be there and I don't know? --part1_161.134000bf.2aa5349d_boundary-- From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Wed Sep 4 04:36:33 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Scott Granneman) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 22:36:33 -0500 Subject: question In-Reply-To: <161.134000bf.2aa5349d@aol.com> References: <161.134000bf.2aa5349d@aol.com> Message-ID: <1031110594.5469.26.camel@homer> Uh ... no offense, but what does this have to do with Frontier or Manila? Scott On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 16:39, Michmom41@aol.com wrote: > Someone had gotten into and made changes to my aol member profile. I deleted > it but am not sure if it was someone that I had let on my puter (which I did) > and now they can enter from another site or what and can they still be there > and I don't know? -- R. Scott Granneman scott@granneman.com ~ www.granneman.com Join GranneNotes! Information at www.granneman.com "Man is the only animal that blushes. Or needs to." ---Mark Twain From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Wed Sep 4 03:13:27 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Al Mac) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:13:27 -0500 Subject: question In-Reply-To: <161.134000bf.2aa5349d@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020903210210.00a41130@pop.sigecom.net> --=====================_1985150==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed This question should perhaps be directed to one of the many AOL discussion forums, but I am a former AOL user. You can always change stuff on your AOL profile, such as password, billing arrangements, how you connect, etc. You might use keyword BILLING to check out when AOL thinks you were signed on. Even if you are on flat pay fee a month, it will show the times you were connected. If you have your computer setup for automated e-mail schedule when you not using it, don't forget to factor that into when AOL thinks you were connected. For someone to use your account from some other computer, and pretend to be you, they need to know your password. There are people who will pretend to be you, using spoofed e-mail addresses. If in doubt, perhaps it would be smart to change your password (you have to be on line with AOL to do that). In fact, it might be a good idea to do that every now and then so you not forget how. Even though your computer account can have a bunch of different AOL screen names, only one of those accounts can be on line with AOL at one time. Depending on what kind of Operating System you have on your home PC, someone could break into your home, reboot the PC, and if they know how, get into MDOS mode and rename your Windows Password files, then reboot and do anything they like, then when done, put the password files back the way they were. But I do not seriously fear this risk. If someone breaks into my apartment, there is a nice 24" TV set in the bedroom, and other goodies. I can't see someone mucking with my PC behind my back, except for the hacker virus folks, who do their thing without physically breaking into our homes. >Someone had gotten into and made changes to my aol member profile. I >deleted it but am not sure if it was someone that I had let on my puter >(which I did) and now they can enter from another site or what and can >they still be there and I don't know? - Al Macintyre (macwheel99@sigecom.net via Eudora) Al's diary http://radio.weblogs.com/0107846/ Scandal Map http://www.markpoyser.netfirms.com/diagrams.htm --=====================_1985150==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" This question should perhaps be directed to one of the many AOL discussion forums, but I am a former AOL user. You can always change stuff on your AOL profile, such as password, billing arrangements, how you connect, etc.

You might use keyword BILLING to check out when AOL thinks you were signed on. Even if you are on flat pay fee a month, it will show the times you were connected. If you have your computer setup for automated e-mail schedule when you not using it, don't forget to factor that into when AOL thinks you were connected.

For someone to use your account from some other computer, and pretend to be you, they need to know your password. There are people who will pretend to be you, using spoofed e-mail addresses.

If in doubt, perhaps it would be smart to change your password (you have to be on line with AOL to do that). In fact, it might be a good idea to do that every now and then so you not forget how.

Even though your computer account can have a bunch of different AOL screen names, only one of those accounts can be on line with AOL at one time.

Depending on what kind of Operating System you have on your home PC, someone could break into your home, reboot the PC, and if they know how, get into MDOS mode and rename your Windows Password files, then reboot and do anything they like, then when done, put the password files back the way they were. But I do not seriously fear this risk. If someone breaks into my apartment, there is a nice 24" TV set in the bedroom, and other goodies. I can't see someone mucking with my PC behind my back, except for the hacker virus folks, who do their thing without physically breaking into our homes.

Someone had gotten into and made changes to my aol member profile. I deleted it but am not sure if it was someone that I had let on my puter (which I did) and now they can enter from another site or what and can they still be there and I don't know?

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Al Macintyre (macwheel99@sigecom.net via Eudora)
Al's diary http://radio.weblogs.com/0107846 /
Scandal Map http://www.markpoyser.netfirms.com/diagrams.htm

--=====================_1985150==_.ALT-- From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Thu Sep 5 16:04:21 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (DarwinPR) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 05:04:21 -1000 Subject: Adding {title} macro to date header line on Story (home page) In-Reply-To: <161.134000bf.2aa5349d@aol.com> Message-ID: Can any suggestion how to add the title of my story (such as using the {title} macro) inside the same horizontal highlighted (colored) rectangle that contains the date of a Story when it is posted (using default theme) on the Home Page in Single Story mode? Right now, at best I can get something that looks like: {title} |||||||||||| date |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| for instance, I can manipulate the HTML template to get something like this: > It Worked! > |||||||||||| Thursday, August 29, 2002 > |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > > Congratulations and welcome to your new site. > > * To start editing this site please log in. Your email address and > password are the same as the ones used to create this website. > > * After logging in, click the Edit this Page button below to edit > this text. This is your home page to edit. > > * You can change almost everything about the site, including its > name, appearance, membership and bulletin features. The Prefs command > in the Editors Only menu at the top of this page is the place to > start. > > * Visit the Getting Started page on the Manila-Newbies site. It > provides an overview and introduction to the different kinds of > projects you can do with Manila. The Manila-Newbies site is there to > help you work with Manila and to learn from each other. > > * Finally, please bookmark this page. This is your website. Be sure > you can find it again. It appears as if the colored rectangle containing the date inside it is rendered via instructions inside the the {bodyText} macro which of course renders a Story when placed on the Home Page ... and although a Home Page's Appearance preferences allow one to select (yes or no) "Do you want to display a title on your home page?" I can't seem to find a means for determining *how* to force that title to appear next to the date rectangular bar. Thanks for any suggestions. -Darwin From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Sat Sep 7 01:46:10 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Scott Granneman) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 19:46:10 -0500 Subject: Documentation for {permaLink} macro Message-ID: <1031359571.29337.1.camel@homer> Hey, UserLanders, is anyone ever going to link to the documentation for the {permaLink} macro on http://macros.userland.com/basic/? Scott -- R. Scott Granneman scott@granneman.com ~ www.granneman.com Join GranneNotes! Information at www.granneman.com "One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president, and that one word is `to be prepared'." ---Vice President Dan Quayle, 12/6/89, reported in Esquire, 8/92 From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Sun Sep 8 22:24:38 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Lawrence Lee) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:24:38 -0700 Subject: Documentation for {permaLink} macro In-Reply-To: <1031359571.29337.1.camel@homer> Message-ID: <001701c2577e$289f9cc0$6601a8c0@buntzen> Thanks Scott, we'll get it added to the site. Lawrence > -----Original Message----- > From: manila-newbies-admin@userland.com > [mailto:manila-newbies-admin@userland.com] On Behalf Of Scott > Granneman > Sent: September 6, 2002 5:46 PM > To: Manila Newbies > Subject: Documentation for {permaLink} macro > > > Hey, UserLanders, is anyone ever going to link to the > documentation for the {permaLink} macro on > http://macros.userland.com/basic/? > > Scott From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Mon Sep 9 05:12:28 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Ryan Hale) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 00:12:28 -0400 Subject: Move Calendar on Discuss Message-ID: <200209090012.AA126615714@levistable.com> Hi Everyone - I've checked a lot of archived pages and haven't found anything on this one... The placement of the calendar on my "discuss" page is messing up my template and I can't figure out how to move it. I simply want to move it down below the discussion list. Can anyone tell me how to do this? I can't find a formatting box that will allow me to move the calendar. See the formatting weirdness here... http://66.221.37.205/discuss I do have access to the server if I need to go there to change something. Thanks in advance! Ryan Hale 636.561.3403 ryan.hale@levistable.com http://www.ryanjhale.com http://www.levistable.com From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Mon Sep 9 20:10:44 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Don Wolff) Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:10:44 -0700 Subject: Editors Password Message-ID: Is there a quick and easy way to find an editors password? I have a site that I have a couple of managing editors setup for (myself included), and one of them has forgotten their password. Short of removing them from the managing editors group and re-adding them, is there a way to find out what their password is. And/or is there a way to re-assign them a password? Regards, -Don Initiative is what separates a genius from the rest of the pack... =================================== Don Wolff- Technology Coordinator Phoenix-Talent School District #4 mailto:don.wolff@phoenix.k12.or.us Office- 541-535-0200 Mobile- 541-621-4717 FAX- 541-535-7552 --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Mon Sep 9 20:35:23 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Susan A. Kitchens) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:35:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Editors Password In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Have your editor go to sign in, but only enter the email address; the Manila site ought to send email to that address telling what the password is. HTH, Susan Susan A. Kitchens susan@auntialias.com Weblog (stories, fotos) | http://www.2020Hindsight.org Bryce Book Brochureware | http://www.auntialias.com Goofy, Ridiculous | http://www.iwannasabbatical.com On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Don Wolff wrote: > Is there a quick and easy way to find an editors password? I have a site > that I have a couple of managing editors setup for (myself included), and > one of them has forgotten their password. Short of removing them from the > managing editors group and re-adding them, is there a way to find out what > their password is. And/or is there a way to re-assign them a password? > Regards, > > -Don > From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Mon Sep 9 20:32:27 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Don Wolff) Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:32:27 -0700 Subject: Editors Password In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If I remember correctly on 9/9/02 12:35 PM Susan A. Kitchens wrote: > Have your editor go to sign in, but only enter the email address; the > Manila site ought to send email to that address telling what the password > is. Thanks Susan! Regards, -Don I believe in the Church of Baseball. I've tried all the major religions and most of the minor ones. And the only church that truly feeds the soul, day-in day-out, is the Church of Baseball. -- Annie Savoy, in Bull Durham =================================== Don Wolff- Technology Coordinator Phoenix-Talent School District #4 mailto:don.wolff@phoenix.k12.or.us Office- 541-535-0200 Mobile- 541-621-4717 FAX- 541-535-7552 --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Thu Sep 12 15:37:37 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (R. Scott Granneman) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:37:37 -0500 Subject: Huge root size Message-ID: <3D80A6B1.7050005@granneman.com> I've been using The XML Files to download selected Manila sites from our server. One of them, wu.root (which is actually wuManilaWebsite on the server) is 25 MB in size, which astounds me. On 19 August, I did an XML Files backup. At that time, wu.root was a svelte 8.6 mb. On 2 September 2002, wu.root was 23 MB. I'd added some new stories and pix between 19 August and 2 September, but not 15 MB worth! Since then, I've added a couple of pix, maybe 20 kb, and about 10 stories between 2 and 20 kb, and now it's up to 25 MB. Needless to say, this is getting crazy to download. Any reason it would be bloating like that? Any way to compact it? Yes, I've done "Save a copy ..." of manilaWebsites root, but that's not really helping. Anything else? Thanks! Scott -- R. Scott Granneman scott@granneman.com ~ www.granneman.com Join GranneNotes! Information at www.granneman.com "... any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never seem to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee." ---John Donne From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Tue Sep 17 22:37:17 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (R. Scott Granneman) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:37:17 -0500 Subject: Huge root size Message-ID: <3D87A08D.6000301@granneman.com> I've been using The XML Files to download selected Manila sites from our server. One of them, wu.root (which is actually wuManilaWebsite on the server) is 25 MB in size, which astounds me. On 19 August, I did an XML Files backup. At that time, wu.root was a svelte 8.6 mb. On 2 September 2002, wu.root was 23 MB. I'd added some new stories and pix between 19 August and 2 September, but not 15 MB worth! Since then, I've added a couple of pix, maybe 20 kb, and about 10 stories between 2 and 20 kb, and now it's up to 25 MB. Needless to say, this is getting crazy to download. Any reason it would be bloating like that? Any way to compact it? Yes, I've done "Save a copy ..." of manilaWebsites root, but that's not really helping. Anything else? Thanks! Scott -- R. Scott Granneman scott@granneman.com ~ www.granneman.com Join GranneNotes! Information at www.granneman.com "... any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never seem to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee." ---John Donne From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Wed Sep 18 22:33:24 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Kai Ping Gan) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:33:24 -0400 Subject: name "undefined" error ? Message-ID: <173B35E32E2CF44FA17644414AB2FB26AA81C0@nexus1.aiesecus.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C25F5B.049F1AE5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, I'm a beginner trying to create my first weblog on a standard template. = I'm getting this error:=20 "Sorry! There was an error: Can't evaluate the expression because the = name "department" hasn't been defined.=20 The error was detected by Frontier 8.0.5 in mainResponder.respond". when I tried to load my home page. I've not added any additional macros, = just using the "default" manila product. I did delete the {department} = include in the news template. That's about the only thing I've modified. How do i fix this? Kai=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C25F5B.049F1AE5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable name "undefined" error ?

Hi there,

I'm a beginner trying to = create my first weblog on a standard template. I'm getting this error: =
"Sorry! There was an error: Can't evaluate the expression because = the name "department" hasn't been defined.
The error was detected by Frontier = 8.0.5 in mainResponder.respond".
when I tried to load my home = page. I've not added any additional macros, just using the = "default" manila product. I did delete the {department} = include in the news template. That's about the only thing I've = modified.

How do i fix this?
Kai

------_=_NextPart_001_01C25F5B.049F1AE5-- From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Wed Sep 18 22:50:11 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (aaron campbell) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: name "undefined" error ? In-Reply-To: <173B35E32E2CF44FA17644414AB2FB26AA81C0@nexus1.aiesecus.net> Message-ID: <20020918215011.21564.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Kai... i think i'm more of a beginner than you are! i have no idea even what you're talking about. i just started learning about weblogs a few days ago. Sorry i can't help. Maybe your message ended up in my box by mistake? Good luck, aaron :-) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Wed Sep 18 22:54:56 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Scott Granneman) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:54:56 -0500 Subject: name "undefined" error ? In-Reply-To: <20020918215011.21564.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020918215011.21564.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1032386097.3998.6.camel@homer> You received Kai's message because you're on this listserv. Your reply went back to the listserv. My message is coming to you through the listserv. See? Scott On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 16:50, aaron campbell wrote: > > Dear Kai... > > i think i'm more of a beginner than you are! i have > no idea even what you're talking about. i just > started learning about weblogs a few days ago. Sorry > i can't help. > > Maybe your message ended up in my box by mistake? > > Good luck, > > aaron :-) > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > http://news.yahoo.com -- R. Scott Granneman scott@granneman.com ~ www.granneman.com Join GranneNotes! Information at www.granneman.com "A good relationship can be summed up in three words: love, trust, and patience." ---Ike Turner, in a delusional state From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Fri Sep 20 04:14:07 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Manila-Newbies@userland.com) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:14:07 +1000 Subject: #Navigator as an address? Message-ID: <595FE28AB1EBD111920F0060B06B3DD708625A72@ACTMAIL2> Can the outline entry in the #navigator table be an address pointing to an outline? Testing this works, but I would like to check it wasn't because of a fluke and is intended that way (as addresses often are in the website framework). Why? - coz I have a bunch of site that I want to have the same navigation links. cheers, Christopher From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Fri Sep 20 04:21:02 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Don Saklad) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:21:02 -0400 Subject: Accessibility. Low vision. Vocalization software. Message-ID: How can the templates be made more compliant with guidelines for accessibility considering people with low vision and people using vocalization software that pronounces what appears on a screen?... From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Fri Sep 20 04:36:41 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Don Saklad) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:36:41 -0400 Subject: How to make your web links more accessible. Message-ID: How can I make my web links more accessible for people who have low vision or use vocalization software?... http://GuideToProblematicalLibraryUse.WebLogs.com/stories http://zork.net/~dsaklad http://NotB4WeKnow.EditThisPage.com http://BifidRib.ManilaSites.com http://saklad.org The resources available via the web are too complicated in that they require extensive knowledge of programming. cheers! and kind regards, oo__ don Warner saklad 2 Linwood Place Cambridge MA 02139 tel 617.661.9650 voice /call ahead for fax email dsaklad@zurich.ai.mit.edu From: Info@Perkins.org Thank you for your comments about our site. [ http://perkins.org ] We appreciate the feedback and want to do our best to help anyone who's trying to learn about accessibility issues. Unfortunately there is no one at Perkins who can provide answers to the questions you're asking, as we hired an outside design firm, Nesnadny + Schwartz (www.nsideas.com) to design our site. The best I can do is to refer you to Web sites and books which were useful to N+S and our team as we revised our site (see below). Recommended Reading: * Designing Web Usability (according to one of our colleagues, this is "the Bible") by Jakob Nielsen * Web Accessibility for People with Disabilities (new) by Michael G. Paciello * Site Seeing by Eric Velleman and Henk Snetsebar Web Sites: * http://www.w3.org/WAI The Web Accessibility Initiative. * http://www.webable.com Local consulting firm with expertise in making Web sites accessible. * http://www.cast.org/bobby Bobby access-validation service. * http://www.microsoft.com/enable/dev/web/default.htm Microsoft's guide to understanding and developing accessible sites. * http://www.w3.org/WAI/References/QuickTips/ A page outlining basic guidelines for accessible design. * http://www.hwg.org.opcenter/w3c/voicebrowsers.html An article about designing for voice browsers. I hope you'll find these recommendations helpful. Good luck with your research, and feel free to visit our site anytime! Sincerely, Kimberly Emrick Kittredge Perkins School for the Blind http://www.Perkins.org PS - Below is an article about site accessibility for your reference. http://www.redwhiteandblue.org/news/bnws/4REASONS.HTM BLIND NEWS: Four Reasons It Pays to Make Your Company Web Sites Accessible to People with Disabilities By Jordan T. Pine 2001 DiversityInc.com October 24, 2001 Try this experiment with your company Web site's home page: Stand where you can't see your computer monitor and ask someone to sit at your desk. Ask that person to read your company home page to you, working from left to right and from top to bottom, without pausing. When he/she comes to an image, he/she should point to it with the computer's mouse. If no words pop up, he or she shouldn't say anything. He or she should skip the image and moving on. If words do pop up, he/she must read only those words and ignore what the actual image may say. When the task is complete, ask yourself a basic question: If I were unfamiliar with my company and wanted to know more about its products and services, would this audio version of the homepage have helped me get the message? If the answer is no -- or perhaps a weak yes -- your company has a problem, according to Kara Pernice Coyne, author of the report "Beyond ALT Text: Designing Accessible Websites" from the Nielsen Norman Group (NN/g). That's because the experiment above simulates what it's like to surf the Internet when you're visually impaired and use a device called a screen reader. More than 8 million Americans have visual impairments, according to the National Center for Health Statistics. About 1.5 million of them use computers, according to the American Foundation for the Blind. Less than 3 percent of the population isn't a lot to worry about from a bottom-line business perspective. But there are at least four reasons why all companies should be concerned with how accessible their Web sites are for people with disabilities, according to Coyne and NN/g. They are: 1. People with disabilities represent an emerging market with substantial buying power that demonstrates unique customer loyalty to companies that serve them well. 2. Inaccessible Web sites, especially intranets, may run afoul of laws such as the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). 3. As America ages, disabilities such as visual impairment become more common. 4. When you design a Web site with people with disabilities in mind, you end up designing a better Web site. This saves time and money spent on redesigns. These four points came out of a seminar held Oct. 22 at the Nielsen Norman Group's "User Experience Conference" in Washington, D.C. The Nielsen in the firm name belongs to Jakob Nielsen, the nationally renowned Web usability-guru who has written several l books on the subject. An immigrant from Copenhagen, Denmark, Nielsen worked for Apple Computer and Sun Microsystems before co-founding NN/g, a consultancy that helps companies design "human-centered products and services." The strength of Nielsen's approach to Web design is best illustrated using an e-commerce Web site as an example: If 10 percent of site visitors can't figure out how to successfully complete a purchase transaction, that's 10 percent less revenue for the e-business. Nielsen has gained converts to his cause by flipping this example around and showing businesses how to add 10 percent more to their coffers just by making their sites easier to use. Designing for accessibility is a step beyond basic usability, but it's a step Nielsen believes corporations must take to remain competitive. "It is not a matter of whether a person uses a wheelchair; in fact, many wheelchair users need no special considerations at all when browsing the Web. Rather, the question is whether the user has some condition that makes it difficult to use traditional computer [devices]," Nielsen wrote in "Designing Web Usability," his best-known book. "In the United States alone, there are more than 30 million people who have some such problem. This is much too large a customer base to ignore." People with Disabilities: An Emerging Market "Consumers with disabilities control $175 billion in discretionary income," the President's Committee on Employment of People with Disabilities reported in 1998. The Wall Street Journal has called people with disabilities the "next consumer niche." Coyne put it another way: "At least 1.5 million users are out there, thinking about shopping," she said, speaking of visually impaired computer users alone. "They could be buying things on your site if you made your products more accessible to them." Moreover, once a consumer with a disability finds an accessible site, he or she doesn't keep it a secret, she said. "Some of these communities are very close-knit, and word of mouth travels fast when a site isn't good," Coyne said. "People teach the Web to each other. They call each other for advice. And the word travels like wildfire if a site is accessible." Coyne offered 71 tips for making sites more accessible, tips she based partly on watching dozens of people with disabilities use the Web. Some examples : Tips #2 and #3: Minimize the use of graphics. Because people with impaired vision often turn all graphics off. And fewer graphics means pages load faster. Name all graphics something that is understandable, and that thoroughly conveys what the graphic is and does. In the simulation at the beginning of this article, only text that popped up when an image was touched with a mouse pointer could be read aloud. That same rule applies to the screen readers blind people use. The way to make sure the meaning of an image isn't missed is to provide alternative (ALT) text that describes that image. Tip #20:Avoid very small buttons and tiny text on links. People with motor-skill disabilities find it next to impossible to click on very small things. It's also important to leave space between smaller buttons and links for the same reason. During one of Coyne's video clips, conference attendees watched in vicarious frustration as a person with cerebral palsy spend minutes trying to hit the right button to order a shirt on an e-commerce site. Tip #27: Keep the amount of necessary scrolling to a minimum. Long pages are even longer for people with low vision, many of whom use screen magnifiers. One such person told Coyne: "A sighted person just sees what they need and clicks. For me, it's finding what I need to click on, and then click on it, and then go to it." The World Wide Web Consortium has come up with a set of accessibility guidelines called the Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Standard. It contains 17 high-priority rules, 33 medium-priority rules and 16 lower-priority rules that companies can begin implementing right away. It's available for free at www.w3.org/wai. Why bother with all of this? Coyne said one reason is that the Web is tailor-made for people with disabilities. "There was a big sense during this study of the Internet being a liberating technology [for people with disabilities], of giving them this outreach and connection to the world, and an ability to do things on their own without relying on other people to help them," Nielsen agreed. "These people get around. They do things," Coyne added. "But how convenient is it to buy something off the Web? This is a real untapped market." Web sites and the ADA: The Compliance Issue With the passage of the ADA in 1990, companies became legally liable for not making themselves accessible to people with disabilities. The most common example is corporate buildings: Companies must provide wheelchair-accessible ramps and other basic amenities, such as appropriate bathroom facilities. Companies that do business with the federal government also have to comply with Section 508 of the Workforce Investment Act of 1998, which requires that all federal agencies' "electronic and information technology is accessible to people with disabilities, including employees and members of the public," according to the U.S. Department of Justice. "If you're going to supply services over the Web to federal employees, you have no choice but to provide 508 accessibility," said Joel Wecksell, chief of Web usability for Gartner Inc. (formerly the Gartner Group). "The states will soon move in that direction, and so will Europe." The courts are still trying to figure out the ADA's reach, and whether it extends into cyberspace is an open question. But Nielsen and NN/g have identified one possible red flag in this area: corporate intranets. "The main reason for making an intranet accessible shouldn't be fear of lawsuits," Nelsen said. "But a the same time, our study does show there's a factor of three difference in usability between people with visual impairments and people without. When you have that big a difference, you can't realistically talk about equal opportunity for those two groups." "Besides, if you have any type of real commitment to equal opportunity, you have to have a commitment to make it possible for these people to do their jobs -- or it's all just for show," he added. "Since using the intranet is a key part of almost any job - at least for knowledge workers - if you can't use it, you can't do your job." Nielsen's "factor of three" comes from a study in the "Beyond ALT Text" report of Internet users from the United States and Japan. In the research, Coyne and her team studied 60 users -- 20 with low vision, 20 with no vision and a control group of another 20 people. All were asked to perform the same tasks online, which included finding a fact and buying an item online. People with no vision favored screen readers and people with low vision used screen magnifiers (and sometimes screen readers, too). The control group was about six times as successful at completing tasks as people using screen readers, and three times as successful as people using screen magnifiers. Other measures included how long the task took a user to complete, how many errors the user made while performing the task and how satisfied or frustrated he/she was after performing the task. Converted into an overall usability factor, this yielded the factor-of-three variance. Looking beyond the numbers, Coyne simplified these findings: "If you own a company and have an intranet, you want your employees to be happy and productive. What we found in our studies is if the Web isn't easy to use, people are less confident, less satisfied and more frustrated. That means they're obviously less productive and less happy than they could be." The 'Someday, This Could Be You' Argument Nielsen's next big project is studying how older Americans function online -- and with good reason. By 2030, there will be about 70 million older persons, more than twice the number in 1999, according to census projections. People over 65 represented about 13 percent of the population in 2000 and are expected to grow to 20 percent of the population by 2030. "Talking about emerging markets, that's a huge emerging market," Nielsen said. "There's a big bias among many people who think technology is for the young, but technology is just as much for the old." One of the characteristics of this market is an increased incidence of common disabilities. As vision fades, text becomes harder to read and requires magnification. Hearing also starts to go, and motor function isn't quite what it used to be. "As the population ages -- I'm an aging Baby Boomer myself -- you begin to see that whether it's eyesight or fine motor skills, you need to be able to address the needs of those markets," Wecksell said. Something as basic as ensuring a Web site can be zoomed can drastically improve the user experience for people with disabilities, both young and old. Yet it's common for sites to unintentionally block this feature because of simple design mistakes, Nielsen said. "Estimates are that only 14 percent of people who are younger than 65 years have some kind of functional impairment, compared to 50 percent of those older than 65," Nielsen wrote in "Designing Web Usability." His point was that designing for accessibility is in this generation's best interest. "Let's design a world that will be good for us," he concluded. Accessible Web Design is Good Web Design "A comment we often get is, 'Why should I invest a fortune in just a few percent extra customers?'" Nielsen said. "One answer is that it's not a fortune, and it may even save you money - Much of our advice boils down to 'simplify your Web site,' so much of what we recommend would make your site cheaper to develop." For example, there are better reasons to make intranets more accessible and, as result, more useable, than fears over lawsuits, Nielsen said. "If you're talking about an intranet - you're talking about your own employees and their productivity," he said. "And the faster you can make people do things, the less money you have to pay them -- or the more work you can get out of them for what you already pay them. That's an incredibly direct connection to [a company's] bottom line." Times when simplicity serves both people with disabilities and the non-disabled better include: 1. When the length and amount of explanatory text is kept to a minimum. This is frustrating for people who listen to sites and for people who read them. 2. When tiny links are avoided. Even non-disabled people have trouble clicking on microscopic links, or they miss them altogether. 3. When things are named in an intuitive way. This helps when listening to a screen reader or using a slow, dialup modem. "When you click the wrong thing -- and you've waited and waited for something to draw and it turns out to not be what you wanted -- it's extremely frustrating and time consuming," Coyne said. Nielsen has also suggested that accessible designs will better adapt to future technologies. One example is onboard computers in automobiles, a feature already available in some cars. Since the driver obviously can't surf the Web while paying attention to the road, speaking browsers may become the standard for when we're on the road and online at the same time, Nielsen suggested. Where To Begin? If a company isn't planning a Web site redesign -- the perfect time to introduce accessibility guidelines -- Nielsen recommends reforming high-traffic pages first. To discover what those pages are, check traffic statistics or make the assessment based on what the hottest selling products or services are supposed to be. As for where to get good guidelines, Nielsen advocates the WAI standard. "The one thing I want to emphasize is that you don't have a binary choice between perfection and nothing," Nielsen said. "The right option is to prioritize the resources you do have on the tasks people do the most, that are the most critical. Remember that homepages are always the number one page people visit, and it goes down from there." "Also make sure that what you do in the future doesn't have those same design flaws," he added. "It's always much more expensive to go back and fix a design than it is to do a good design to begin with." Go To The BONS Main Menu Go To HOME: The Zeneith Tube Website: RedWhiteAndBlue.org http://www.redwhiteandblue.org/news/bnws/4REASONS.HTM From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Fri Sep 20 05:35:26 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Hugh Nicoll) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:35:26 +0900 Subject: Setting Gem Folder Size in Frontier 9 Message-ID: Greetings all, I have just upgraded my Frontier server version 9. Happily, the upgrade wen= t smoothly, with all my existing site databases intact, now being served just fine in 9, on Mac OS 10.2.1. With the new format for administering the server and hosted sites, I seem t= o have lost the ability to change the default folder size for gems. In the ne= w settings page menus: Preferences > Manila > Static Files Gems can be turned on and file path and URL set, but I can't find a setting= s parameter for defining the file space allocation for each site. "Gems You can choose to allow Manila editors to upload files of any kind. These files will be written to disk, and are intended to be served by a static server like Apache or IIS. =A0Check this box to allow editors to upload files of any type. Folder for Gems: URL for Gems:" Is this now a site specific setting? If so, where might it be found? Also, how important might it be to make an Apache server available for occasionally serving gems to groups of 10 to 25 students? Anyone out there with experience running Apache on OS X, particularly on the same machine as Frontier? Currently running two Frontier servers in 10.2.1 G4 400/640 MB RAM Frontier 9, Radio 8.0.8 G4 533/1152 MB RAM, Frontier 9 Thanks, Hugh =20 Hugh Nicoll, Miyazaki Municipal University Funatsuka 1-1-2, Miyazaki-shi 880-8520 JAPAN Tel 0985-20-4788, Fax 0985-20-4877 JALT2002, 22-24 November, Shizuoka: Waves of the Future http://jalt.org/jalt2002/ From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Fri Sep 20 16:28:55 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Joseph Frichtl) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:28:55 -0500 Subject: Accessibility. Low vision. Vocalization software. References: Message-ID: <3D8B3EB6.C0FE74CA@waukeganschools.org> Don, I would suggest you check out these websites: bobby.cast.org http://www.apple.com/disability/ http://www.w3.org/ These are great resources for people with special needs. The Bobby website has a demo that will check a webpage to see if it is compliant with Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 1.0 and U.S. Section 508 Guidelines. It also gives you suggestions and HTML examples. If you have any questions you are more than welcome to e-mail me. Joe Frichtl jfrichtl@waukeganschools.org Web Manager Waukegan Public Schools Don Saklad wrote: > How can the templates be made more compliant with guidelines for > accessibility considering people with low vision and people using > vocalization software that pronounces what appears on a screen?... From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Fri Sep 20 16:57:33 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Al Mac) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:57:33 -0500 Subject: Accessibility. Low vision. Vocalization software. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020920104940.00ace270@pop.sigecom.net> I suggest that people interested in seeking templates that generate more accessible and usable web sites start with Mark Pilgrim's 30 days of more accessible weblogs in which he explains many of what the problems are and how to fix them. http://diveintoaccessibility.org/ Disabled people using the Internet often have a much bigger problem than having to deal with hostile web sites. I share some of those problems here. http://radio.weblogs.com/0107846/stories/2002/08/10/blindOfNh.html Keep in mind that most young people especially like the color combinations that are hostile to the eyes of older people, and those with impaired vision, and a majority of web creators, professionals even, could care less about potential customers of a lower economic internet interface, and deliberately create bandwidth blasts that make their sites non-usable to people with dial up interfaces. Thus, if there are templates out there that are more compliant, those will not be very popular templates. The most you can hope for are templates that help people, who care about all users, make truely usable and accessible web sites. >How can the templates be made more compliant with guidelines for >accessibility considering people with low vision and people using >vocalization software that pronounces what appears on a screen?... - Al Macintyre (macwheel99@sigecom.net via Eudora) Al's diary http://radio.weblogs.com/0107846/ Cure cancer. http://members.ud.com/about/ From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Fri Sep 20 18:34:06 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Don Saklad) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:34:06 -0400 Subject: Accessibility. Low vision. Vocalization software. In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020920104940.00ace270@pop.sigecom.net> (message from Al Mac on Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:57:33 -0500) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020920104940.00ace270@pop.sigecom.net> Message-ID: Thank you Al Mac ! Around the web what weblog templates are there that accomplish the better accessibility?... From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Fri Sep 20 18:44:49 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Don Saklad) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:44:49 -0400 Subject: Accessibility. Low vision. Vocalization software. In-Reply-To: <3D8B3EB6.C0FE74CA@waukeganschools.org> (message from Joseph Frichtl on Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:28:55 -0500) References: <3D8B3EB6.C0FE74CA@waukeganschools.org> Message-ID: Thank you Joe Frichtl ! 1. For people with low vision and for users of vocalization software, what resources are there around the web that help make your web links more accessible that aren't so complicated, for example in requiring relatively extensive knowledge of programming?... 2. What can be done in the case of provided template weblogs?... From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Fri Sep 20 18:41:28 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Sam DeVore) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:41:28 -0700 Subject: Accessibility. Low vision. Vocalization software. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <312B7A10-CCC0-11D6-8936-003065D606C2@cliffhanger.com> --Apple-Mail-33-549397298 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I think that the newer templates that are css driven are a lot closer, too bad they fall apart in older browsers, look at http://themes.userland.com the movable manila ones seem to validate fairly well, though there are some small problems in the code that comes out of macros in manila, I think a few errors are ok in my mind. But they get really close, and they are very flexible. Sam D On Friday, September 20, 2002, at 10:34 AM, Don Saklad wrote: > Thank you Al Mac ! > > Around the web what weblog templates are there that accomplish > the better accessibility?... > > ======= See a new experiment: a dad and his two girls http://scidzone.editthispage.com join, see and share...... ======= --Apple-Mail-33-549397298 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I think that the newer templates that are css driven are a lot closer, too bad they fall apart in older browsers, look at http://themes.userland.com the movable manila ones seem to validate fairly well, though there are some small problems in the code that comes out of macros in manila, I think a few errors are ok in my mind. But they get really close, and they are very flexible. Sam D On Friday, September 20, 2002, at 10:34 AM, Don Saklad wrote: Thank you Al Mac ! Around the web what weblog templates are there that accomplish the better accessibility?... ======= See a new experiment: a dad and his two girls http://scidzone.editthispage.com join, see and share...... ======= --Apple-Mail-33-549397298-- From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Fri Sep 20 18:54:54 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Robert Scoble) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:54:54 -0700 Subject: Accessibility. Low vision. Vocalization software. In-Reply-To: <312B7A10-CCC0-11D6-8936-003065D606C2@cliffhanger.com> Message-ID: <00ef01c260ce$da031600$b44af183@scoblelaptop> >I think that the newer templates that are css driven are a >lot closer, too bad they fall apart in older browsers, >look at http://themes.userland.com the movable manila >ones seem to validate fairly well, though there are some >small problems in the code that comes out of macros in manila, >I think a few errors are ok in my mind. But they get really close, and they are very flexible. I'm using Radio and I've tweaked one of the moveable themes to be very close to validating and more accessible (and the code it generates is very optimized for small size and quick downloads). As soon as I'm happy with my templates I'll share them with the world. I'd love any feedback on making them work better. http://scoble.weblogs.com is where I'm playing around. Robert From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Fri Sep 20 21:19:16 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Ryan Hale) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:19:16 -0400 Subject: Archived Page Date on Homepage Message-ID: <200209201619.AA217121052@levistable.com> Hello everyone - I can't figure out how to intentionally take the initial archive date off of the homepage. I've done this a couple of times accidentally, but can never duplicate it. See this link for an example: http://66.221.37.205/wonderer Note the Thursday, September 19, 2002 date along the top of the page. This is the date I created the site and what I am trying to remove. Thanks in advance, Ryan Hale 636.561.3403 ryan.hale@levistable.com http://www.ryanjhale.com http://www.levistable.com From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Fri Sep 20 21:35:39 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Sam DeVore) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:35:39 -0700 Subject: Archived Page Date on Homepage In-Reply-To: <200209201619.AA217121052@levistable.com> Message-ID: <8675CF08-CCD8-11D6-8936-003065D606C2@cliffhanger.com> --Apple-Mail-43-559848313 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed look for "Do you want to display a title on your home page?" on http://66.221.37.205/wonderer/admin/sitePrefs/default$appearance and look for "Home page title:" on this page http://66.221.37.205/wonderer/admin/sitePrefs/default$newsItems On Friday, September 20, 2002, at 01:19 PM, Ryan Hale wrote: > Hello everyone - > > I can't figure out how to intentionally take the initial archive date > off of the homepage. I've done this a couple of times accidentally, > but can never duplicate it. > > See this link for an example: > > http://66.221.37.205/wonderer > > Note the Thursday, September 19, 2002 date along the top of the page. > This is the date I created the site and what I am trying to remove. > > Thanks in advance, > > Ryan Hale > 636.561.3403 > ryan.hale@levistable.com > > http://www.ryanjhale.com > http://www.levistable.com > > > > > > > > ======= See a new experiment: a dad and his two girls http://scidzone.editthispage.com join, see and share...... ======= --Apple-Mail-43-559848313 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII look for "Do you want to display a title on your home page?" on http://66.221.37.205/wonderer/admin/sitePrefs/default$appearance and look for "Home page title:" on this page http://66.221.37.205/wonderer/admin/sitePrefs/default$newsItems On Friday, September 20, 2002, at 01:19 PM, Ryan Hale wrote: Hello everyone - I can't figure out how to intentionally take the initial archive date off of the homepage. I've done this a couple of times accidentally, but can never duplicate it. See this link for an example: http://66.221.37.205/wonderer Note the Thursday, September 19, 2002 date along the top of the page. This is the date I created the site and what I am trying to remove. Thanks in advance, Ryan Hale 636.561.3403 ryan.hale@levistable.com http://www.ryanjhale.com http://www.levistable.com ======= See a new experiment: a dad and his two girls http://scidzone.editthispage.com join, see and share...... ======= --Apple-Mail-43-559848313-- From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Sat Sep 21 13:10:48 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Giles Chaple) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:10:48 +0100 Subject: Admin Home page "sites on this server" Frontier 9 Message-ID: My upgrade to Frontier 9 on a win2000 server seems fine. Except, that is, for getting "sites on this server" on the Admin home page to appear The "Server Status" and "server monitor" on the right are there. I get the intro to the "sites on this server" but no listing. Have a missed something obvious? Thanks Giles From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Sat Sep 21 22:25:31 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Ryan Hale) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:25:31 -0400 Subject: Manila-Newbies digest, Vol 1 #74 - 3 msgs Message-ID: <200209211725.AA23462436@levistable.com> Hi Sam - I checked both of these areas that you mention below and the first question was already answered "No" and the second option was blank. I tried changing these and then changing them back, but it didn't help. Any other ideas? Thanks, Ryan Hale 636.561.3403 ryan.hale@levistable.com http://www.ryanjhale.com http://www.levistable.com look for "Do you want to display a title on your home page?" on http://66.221.37.205/wonderer/admin/sitePrefs/default$appearance and look for "Home page title:" on this page http://66.221.37.205/wonderer/admin/sitePrefs/default$newsItems On Friday, September 20, 2002, at 01:19 PM, Ryan Hale wrote: > Hello everyone - > > I can't figure out how to intentionally take the initial archive date > off of the homepage. I've done this a couple of times accidentally, > but can never duplicate it. > > See this link for an example: > > http://66.221.37.205/wonderer > > Note the Thursday, September 19, 2002 date along the top of the page. > This is the date I created the site and what I am trying to remove. > > Thanks in advance, > > Ryan Hale > 636.561.3403 > ryan.hale@levistable.com > > http://www.ryanjhale.com > http://www.levistable.com > > > > > > > > ======= See a new experiment: a dad and his two girls http://scidzone.editthispage.com join, see and share...... ======= --Apple-Mail-43-559848313 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII look for "Do you want to display a title on your home page?" on http://66.221.37.205/wonderer/admin/sitePrefs/default$appearance and look for "Home page title:" on this page http://66.221.37.205/wonderer/admin/sitePrefs/default$newsItems On Friday, September 20, 2002, at 01:19 PM, Ryan Hale wrote: Hello everyone - I can't figure out how to intentionally take the initial archive date off of the homepage. I've done this a couple of times accidentally, but can never duplicate it. See this link for an example: http://66.221.37.205/wonderer Note the Thursday, September 19, 2002 date along the top of the page. This is the date I created the site and what I am trying to remove. Thanks in advance, Ryan Hale 636.561.3403 ryan.hale@levistable.com http://www.ryanjhale.com http://www.levistable.com ======= See a new experiment: a dad and his two girls http://scidzone.editthispage.com join, see and share...... ======= --Apple-Mail-43-559848313-- --__--__-- Message: 3 Subject: Admin Home page "sites on this server" Frontier 9 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:10:48 +0100 From: "Giles Chaple" To: Reply-To: Manila-Newbies@userland.com My upgrade to Frontier 9 on a win2000 server seems fine. Except, that is, for getting "sites on this server" on the Admin home page to appear The "Server Status" and "server monitor" on the right are there. I get the intro to the "sites on this server" but no listing. Have a missed something obvious? Thanks Giles End of Manila-Newbies Digest From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Mon Sep 23 18:28:26 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Manila-Newbies@userland.com) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:28:26 -0500 Subject: how to rename/migrate a site Message-ID: <3368EA7C4178D411B18800508B5FDBE9023FB9DC@exchlnk.iuniverse.com> How do I change the URL of a Manila site? Specifically, I need to change http://community.iuniverse.com/writing/ to http://community.iuniverse.com/poetry/. Also, how do I delete an existing site such as http://community.iuniverse.com/delete_this_site/? Alternately, is it possible to migrate content (stories, DG, etc.) and members from one site to another? If so, how is this done? -- Jeremy J. Tredway Web Producer iUniverse jeremy.tredway@iuniverse.com ph 402.323.7800 x234 icq 121659371 From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Mon Sep 23 18:57:04 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (David A. Bayly) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:57:04 +0100 Subject: how to rename/migrate a site In-Reply-To: <3368EA7C4178D411B18800508B5FDBE9023FB9DC@exchlnk.iuniverse.com> References: <3368EA7C4178D411B18800508B5FDBE9023FB9DC@exchlnk.iuniverse.com> Message-ID: >How do I change the URL of a Manila site? Specifically, I need to change >http://community.iuniverse.com/writing/ to >http://community.iuniverse.com/poetry/. You must have server access. Bring the root with the website to the front. Highlight the website by placing the cursor anywhere in the table called writingMnilawebsite. From the server menu, select install site. Enter the changed url. This is one case where writing becomes poetry easily. :-) >Also, how do I delete an existing >site such as http://community.iuniverse.com/delete_this_site/? same thing, but pick uninstall site from the server menu. then close the root containing it and throw the root away, or if there are other sites in that root that you wish to keep, delete the table, then save the root. >Alternately, is it possible to migrate content (stories, DG, etc.) and >members from one site to another? If so, how is this done? > yes, if you install a plugin - I offer one free called manilafixer that will do that and much else. See for download instructions, and for documentation. -- - David Bayly. Programmer and digest reader. dbayly at udena dot ch Digest Readers do it once a day. From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Mon Sep 23 18:58:08 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Samuel DeVore) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:58:08 -0700 Subject: how to rename/migrate a site In-Reply-To: <3368EA7C4178D411B18800508B5FDBE9023FB9DC@exchlnk.iuniverse.com> Message-ID: <04A2C909-CF1E-11D6-A8C1-003065D606C2@teachesme.com> --Apple-Mail-4-809597600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed In the server menu (of frontier) is a menu "Change Site Url..." find the table in manilaWebsites.root that corresponds with the original site (probably writingManilaWebsite, you can probably use the jump command to get there) then with that table selected user the menu item. It is possible to move content and members from one site to another but it is a little tricky the above is a little better. To delete a site use the uninstall site from the server menu while the manila site to be deleted is selected. Sam D On Monday, September 23, 2002, at 10:28 AM, Jeremy.Tredway@iuniverse.com wrote: > How do I change the URL of a Manila site? Specifically, I need to > change > http://community.iuniverse.com/writing/ to > http://community.iuniverse.com/poetry/. Also, how do I delete an > existing > site such as http://community.iuniverse.com/delete_this_site/? > Alternately, is it possible to migrate content (stories, DG, etc.) and > members from one site to another? If so, how is this done? > > -- > Jeremy J. Tredway > Web Producer > iUniverse > jeremy.tredway@iuniverse.com > ph 402.323.7800 x234 > icq 121659371 > > ======= See a new experiment: a dad and his two girls http://scidzone.editthispage.com join, see and share...... ======= --Apple-Mail-4-809597600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII In the server menu (of frontier) is a menu "Change Site Url..." find the table in manilaWebsites.root that corresponds with the original site (probably writingManilaWebsite, you can probably use the jump command to get there) then with that table selected user the menu item. It is possible to move content and members from one site to another but it is a little tricky the above is a little better. To delete a site use the uninstall site from the server menu while the manila site to be deleted is selected. Sam D On Monday, September 23, 2002, at 10:28 AM, Jeremy.Tredway@iuniverse.com wrote: How do I change the URL of a Manila site? Specifically, I need to change http://community.iuniverse.com/writing/ to http://community.iuniverse.com/poetry/. Also, how do I delete an existing site such as http://community.iuniverse.com/delete_this_site/? Alternately, is it possible to migrate content (stories, DG, etc.) and members from one site to another? If so, how is this done? -- Jeremy J. Tredway Web Producer iUniverse jeremy.tredway@iuniverse.com ph 402.323.7800 x234 icq 121659371 ======= See a new experiment: a dad and his two girls http://scidzone.editthispage.com join, see and share...... ======= --Apple-Mail-4-809597600-- From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Wed Sep 25 00:12:52 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Manila-Newbies@userland.com) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:12:52 +1000 Subject: Admin Home page "sites on this server" Frontier 9 Message-ID: <4D6E6CCBC9CED61192720060B06B3DD7C74143@ACTMAIL2> See http://frontier.userland.com/discuss/msgReader$10681?mode=day cheers, Christopher -----Original Message----- From: Giles Chaple [mailto:gchaple@cintraworks.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, 21 September 2002 10:11 PM To: Manila-Newbies@userland.com Subject: Admin Home page "sites on this server" Frontier 9 My upgrade to Frontier 9 on a win2000 server seems fine. Except, that is, for getting "sites on this server" on the Admin home page to appear The "Server Status" and "server monitor" on the right are there. I get the intro to the "sites on this server" but no listing. Have a missed something obvious? Thanks Giles From Manila-Newbies@userland.com Wed Sep 25 21:42:45 2002 From: Manila-Newbies@userland.com (Giles Chaple) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:42:45 +0100 Subject: Admin Home page "sites on this server" Frontier 9 Message-ID: >=20 > See http://frontier.userland.com/discuss/msgReader$10681?mode=3Dday >=20 > cheers, > Christopher >=20 Thanks for the pointer. Unfortunately, apart from the fact that my Frontier directory has a lower case F, your fix is way over my Frontier skills! I will wait and see if it sorts itself out. Thanks Giles