Can't edit msg with Netscape

R. Scott Granneman
Tue, 07 Aug 2001 16:08:48 -0500

How about using Mozilla 0.9.3, which is Netscape without all the AOL 
lard? It's a great browser, and even though it's beta, it's pretty darn 
solid. I use it every day, all day, on Linux & Windows, & it's great.


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Ceelee wrote:
> Thanks David & Peter,
> Yes ... definitely a template problem.
> No problem editing with Netscape on one of our sites that uses both 
> metadata and the ThickLines theme.
> The site with the problems doesn't use a theme, but starts with a 
> customized version of the default Manila template. I'll compare the two 
> and work from there.
> -Lee
> At 10:32 AM 08/07/2001, you wrote:
>> The way Netscape lays out pages can differ greatly from Explorer,
>> particularly if you're using Cascading Style Sheets or complex tables.
>> The real problem is probably in the Netscape browser, which does not
>> properly conform to W3C standards. (IE is not 100% compliant, but it's
>> much better). It's also possible that the problem is in your tagging;
>> IE is much more forgiving of problems in tagging, particularly in
>> tables.
>> Some possible solutions:
>>  - simplify the tables in your template
>>  - if you're using CSS to position page elements, consider creating two
>> separate style sheets, one that works in IE and one that works in
>> Netscape. Then you'll need to detect the user's browser and swap in the
>> correct CSS. (I haven't implemented this yet in Frontier, but it's easy
>> with PHP, so I think it will be doable.)
>>  - recommend that users use Internet Explorer (I don't like this
>> solution, but it can be at least a stopgap)
>> FWIW, I've found that some of the templates distributed with Manila do
>> not render properly in Netscape. Even some of the pages at
>> aren't right.
>> Additional bad news:
>>  1. There are more browsers than just IE and Netscape. Opera and iCab
>> are pretty standards-compliant. I just started testing with Mozilla and
>> Konqueror, so I'm not sure. The W3C has a browser called Amaya as well,
>> but I believe it's more intended for testing than use.
>>  2. Pages also render differently on the Windows and Mac versions of
>> the SAME browser. This is primarily a font size problem, but there are
>> some other subtle differences.
>> > A contributing editor who uses Netscape alerted me to a new problem.
>> The
>> > following problem appears only when editing with the Netscape
>> browser.
>> > (Internet Explorer is fine.)
>> >
>> > The "Post Changes" button overlays the text box, as do ALL the
>> metadata
>> > fields. And even if I could see through the button to edit, it is
>> inactive.
>> >
>> > I reproduced this problem from my machine - Windows 98, 800x600
>> resolution,
>> > Netscape Communicator 4.61.
>> >
>> > This problem has appeared since we started using metadata now on our
>> staff
>> > site. (Metadata works fine, btw.) Our short term solution to the
>> Netscape
>> > problem is to use IE instead. But with browser-based editing, it's
>> best if
>> > folks can use either Netscape or IE. Also, this makes me wary about
>> using
>> > metadata on other manila sites I manage.
>> >
>> > Hope you have a lead on this.
>> > -Ceelee